Eager to be Healthy – Ice baths and Business with Nathan Baws

Michael Eger: Nathan Balls is a serial entrepreneur who has launched 19 businesses and skilled global teams. He has appeared on Shark Tank Australia, co-authored a best-selling book with Tony Robbins, and holds a 2024 Guinness World Record for ice baths. Passionate about growth, mindset and health optimization, Nathan shares powerful strategies for building high performance teams and driving exceptional business results.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Hi, my name’s Nathan Boars and I’m eager to be healthy.

Michael Eger: to the show. How you?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yeah, good. Thanks Michael. How are going?

Michael Eger: I’m doing well. Yeah, so. We we gave their intro. What time zone are you in?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: So I’m in Perth, Western Australia, 7 a.m. So it’s a sleep-in for me today, so it’s quite nice. I often do a podcast at about 5 a.m., so a happy day. ⁓

Michael Eger: Full disclosure, I am nocturnal. My job ⁓ ⁓ the evening, so this is my morning too.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: So we’re about to see you, Markle.

Michael Eger: I am in the Greater DC area, which originally from Massachusetts. Yeah, Nathan, have you always been healthy?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Actually funny enough, my background is in health, absolutely. So I was brought up by a mum who was very much into health and very alternative ⁓ Then I studied naturopathy, so I studied natural medicine. yeah, I think a lot of people describe me as a bit of a freak, actually. Incredibly focused on my diets and what I eat and what I avoid. So, love being in that healthy space.

Michael Eger: Okay, so ⁓ have you always been happy?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Generally, mean throughout my life, I’ve ⁓ been in business since a very young age and you mentioned, I’ve been involved in a lot of different businesses ⁓ ⁓ the road there’s ⁓ there’s ups and downs. I’ve been blessed that ⁓ my is generally all very healthy and ⁓ still those that are close to me, so that’s good. But I mean in business there. ups and downs. I’ve had some pretty significant challenges along the way. Financially, some of the businesses absolutely flopped and thankfully ⁓ of them did well but it’s a journey, it’s not a sprint. So you get your ups and downs for sure.

Michael Eger: So is it fair to say that your business success tied to your happiness?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yes, unfortunately, and it’s something that I’ve been very aware of trying not to have that link too much. that means if you have a day, a bad day in business, ⁓ feel it, ⁓ know, emotionally stress, ⁓ levels, etc. I the ultimate scenario is not to be affected by it, ⁓ which must admit, really mastered yet. So, but you in times where ⁓ we ⁓ had some very, very much struggling, a lot of money. Yeah, that has a huge impact on the way you feel and your moods. And I think the ⁓ is always to and overcome that and to be resilient. in those times, distance yourself ⁓ from that stress. ⁓ That’s the And as I’ve gone more and more into business over the years, I’ve developed little strategies that that I now implement regularly for, main focus actually for stress and happiness and mood elevation is stimulating more dopamine in a natural, healthy, positive manner. actually my LinkedIn profile, ⁓ I myself a dopamine business builder. ⁓ So very much related to ⁓ stimulating the that make you feel good and happy ⁓ and your stress levels down and keep you motivated. So they’re the ways that I sort deal with stress these days.

Michael Eger: OK, so would you say the startup phase is dealing with a stressed baby and with a hope of producing a profit child?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: That’s a nice way putting it. look, I love the startup phase. The startup phase is so much fun. And I really never find that stressful. That’s my most uplifting phase of the business. And it’s you can be your most creative. It’s where you can come up with some crazy ideas ⁓ and see you can implement them and they make a difference. They hit and resonate with your client base. So, startup’s awesome. ⁓ It’s generally when get into the second, third phases of business where things are starting to work, you’re getting momentum, and then the problems pop up. And these are all phases that are really focused on systemizing and automating processes to deal with those problems. And those problems are an absolute inevitable part of it and a very important part of the business because they’re going to come up in any business. And the idea is to structure a business that that gets rid of all those kinks and as in life, know, the idea of ultimate life is really to be able to go through smoothly, happily and work through your problems. So as it is in business.

Michael Eger: Now you did you ever meet Tony Robbins?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: I haven’t actually met him. He involved in a book, Tony Robbins and Brian Tracy. I doing a podcast. a couple of years ago and I was talking about dopamine and the unique spin of dopamine and how it impacts business. And the ⁓ podcast, got in touch with me and said, ⁓ you know, it’s ⁓ quite a angle. Would you like to come into a book that ⁓ Tony ⁓ Brian involved in? Because it’s quite a unique angle. So ⁓ I said, absolutely. ⁓ Let’s get in that. And ⁓ so I a chapter in that book, but they are huge, ⁓ huge. that those guys have a huge impact on my life and my mindset ⁓ I think they’ve done a lot of good for this world.

Michael Eger: And that book is…

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Cracking the Rich Code is cool. yeah, myself and my sister, my sister’s in real estate and we both wrote a chapter. Mine was on business growth and how to utilise dopamine to stimulate more business outcomes. excuse me, my sister was on, ⁓ she’s very ⁓ in the real estate world. she, in the US actually, ⁓ she’s in the US for ⁓ property.

Michael Eger: Okay. Alright, and now you made the claim about ice bath. Why?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Ice baths are all part of, for me, they’re all part of the business journey. And because I love anything to do with business love grow businesses and love to optimise ⁓ the and the body and the biochemistry, all these are the end impact I want to have on improving my health, improving my mindset is better business ⁓ ⁓ although all things fantastic in general for life and health and and wellbeing, always tie it to ⁓ outcomes because that for me is my and my mission and that’s what keeps me motivated. So ⁓ if really disciplined in ⁓ the I eat ⁓ or I jump into an ice bath or utilize cold ⁓ I find can have a really big impact on ⁓ my business. dopamine, ⁓ it’s to So when I ⁓ was involved in Guinness Book of Records, we did the biggest, world’s biggest ice bath. And again, to me that was just all aligned with let’s get more dopamine stimulation and that’s what I do every day. I go down to the ocean, jump in the ocean and whether it’s zero degrees and hailing outside or it’s a nice sunny day, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about getting that boost in the morning of dopamine which can do by about 243%. It stimulates more dopamine. and that is a fantastic way to start your day and get you in the right zone to really your ⁓ outcomes for business. So that’s why I’m involved in that.

Michael Eger: So I’ll be honest, I struggle with ice baths. My gym, they’re set at 46 degrees Fahrenheit, which is while I grew up in the Northeast and I’m used to Maine summers, which would give you ocean temps in the low 50s, the 46 is a bit cold. I struggle to keep. These paths are so small you can’t even get your head underneath water to give you that shock that allows your body to tolerate the rest of it. I do cry. And cryo can tolerate a lot better. ⁓ I think it’s it’s less of ⁓ a. shock to my system and more. It’s just a gradual.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: ⁓ I see. Right.

Michael Eger: or I’m here already, it’s cold, I can tolerate it, it’s gonna last three minutes. The cryo attendant’s watching me, ⁓ have to be strong and then I get out of it. ⁓ Exactly, one reasons why group classes are sometimes better than exercising alone, because you have other people you.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: You’re under the spotlight.

Michael Eger: doing the same thing they’re doing and it’s much easier to perform when there’s an audience. um, so, so my experience of the cryo is it’s borderline unpleasant, but then when you get out of it, you’re like, Oh, okay.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Michael Eger: That wasn’t so bad. And I think what I because the ice baths are kind of a portion of your I would like you to go into explain the emotional process of you going into the water. Your feelings and your motion. While exposed to those cold temperatures.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: That’s it.

Michael Eger: when you decide to come out of it the thought processes and the feelings of the recovery.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yeah, excellent. what you touched on about group… you know, doing it under the supervision of other people. they’re watching and influencing is all about the accountability, you know, they’re holding you accountable for, for carrying through on your actions to being involved in, ⁓ that discomfort. ⁓ whenever you’re in discomfort, of course, the other side of discomfort is, is success. So we always have to go through whatever it is in ⁓ situation life. There’s often little wall of ⁓ discomfort that have to go over before you get into the comfort. Zopamine is an amazing neurotransmitter that our brain produces to reward us for going through that discomfort. it allows us to go push forwards, push through these things that are really not comfortable, but are very good for us. And it allows us to be rewarded for that. So we’re incentivised to do it again and again and again, because it’s good for our body. So it’s a little drug that floods our body and it makes you feel good. So when you step out of that car, or the ice bath, body is rewarding you and that’s ⁓ you do when you feel good. So same is involved in jumping into the ocean or into an ice bath. I know gonna be uncomfortable but I know on the other side of discomfort is comfort is growth is success. And ⁓ when go the ocean in the morning, in the middle of winter and it’s freezing outside and your toes are freezing the and it’s all, and there’s no one else around, you know, I’m the only lunatic on the beach at that time of the day, then you feel amazing after you’ve done it. And that’s the dopamine and that’s the process and the mindset that keeps you coming back and keeps you motivated. And after that, after you’ve pushed through psychologically and you’ve gone through the mind chat of why am I doing this? No one else is crazy enough to be out here. I ⁓ just go ⁓ sit in my car and go home to a nice warm shower. All process is going on in your mind. And then ⁓ the that you have at that time is so critical because you don’t any accountability. There’s no one around to judge you ⁓ if you out and you go back home. And at the end of day, you’re the only one. ⁓ And that strength that builds, I love, I love that discipline and the strength that you get out of that. And so that, those are the sort of mindset strategies that keep me motivated ⁓ push through that discomfort. And the next day, ⁓ I forward to the same discomfort. So you kind of get comfortable with being uncomfortable in the process.

Michael Eger: do you feel this process models the behavior to tolerate the ups and downs of and in business?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yeah, that’s a fantastic question. And that’s exactly, exactly why I do it again, because it has an impact on my business life. And I feel if I can put up with the discomfort and be disciplined enough to push through that uncomfortable physical discomfort, the challenges that I have later on in the day are going to be pretty minimal comparatively. So is yeah, Michael has a really ⁓ good that you’ve got there because that is ⁓ that’s of the key reasons that you do it. And also when the creation of the dopamine that you get is very good for the cortisol levels that come in when you’re stressed. So when you go in the rest of the day, crap hits the fan, ⁓ it can do ⁓ in business, then you’re a much higher state, ⁓ vibrationally, mindset, energy, all these things are frequenting at a much ⁓ resonating at higher level. ⁓ And those little negative little hurdles are less of a mountain and more of a little hurdle at that stage when there’s more dopamine and less cortisol floating around in your body. So it’s a lovely strategy for overcoming some of the stressful times.

Michael Eger: Now you mentioned down-regulating cortisol, okay, which is something a lot of people in our modern life struggle with, especially if you are operating in an environment that’s atypical for nature. So if you could just focus on what you do to reduce cortisol,

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Mm-hmm.

Michael Eger: so you can feel more dopamine, that would be very helpful for our audience.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so cortisol is a stress hormone that we produce anytime we get anxiety or depression or of those negative emotions that come into our world. Dopamine has the opposite impact and it’s very hard for those two hormones, dopamine and serotonin. It’s very hard for those hormones to float around in your body ⁓ there’s high levels of cortisol and vice versa. When there’s high levels of cortisol, ⁓ other neurotransmitters kind of disappear. So that forces the dopamine ⁓ is going be good, right? So if you’re in really, really stressful, ⁓ depressed, anxiety, sort of with anxiety, any of those sort of emotions that are negative to the body, if we can stimulate more of the positive… endorphins, then it has an immediate impact and just goes up, one goes down. It’s just like the balance. So there’s ways as well that we can do that is ⁓ being of ⁓ adrenaline cortisol, those hormones that ⁓ keep our high in our body. And ⁓ can an impact on the biochemistry of our body by changing anything that stimulates two. So obviously you can’t eliminate stress. There’s always going to be that side of ⁓ there are things that we can biochemically change, things like caffeine and ⁓ diet. So caffeine any stimulant drugs, nicotine, smoking, or any a lot of recreational drugs, they stimulate more adrenaline. And adrenaline, like levels go up and the ⁓ neurotransmitters go down. they make us more stressed. ⁓ So if we those out of the body, if we eliminate caffeine and nicotine, and those sort of recreational drugs, we reduce the of adrenaline, which is gonna be obviously very useful for reducing anxiety level. So that’s a change. Also ⁓ looking at diet can be very impactful. So when we go into ⁓ eating regularly, eating, I to do a ketogenic diet, which is where we eliminate a lot of the high carbs and we increase our fats and our proteins and our blood sugar levels become a lot more stable. If we can do that, then we avoid the slumps in the sugar levels and when our sugar levels drop down, again, our adrenaline stimulates adrenaline causes more anxiety. So ⁓ we can ⁓ those little troughs, then we can stay a lot more stable. Eating small regular meals or eating high protein, high fat, ⁓ the big carbohydrates and the sugar refined foods going to have a wonderful impact on achieving us you know balancing our stress levels.

Michael Eger: So, ⁓ the ketogenic diet, so disease does run in my family. So ⁓ I do to that, but recently I’ve been turned on to the writings of Dr. Bernstein. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with him. He was in the seventies, but before all the fancy meds came around, He did experiment of one he identified, hey, if I put less sugar in me, I’m going to survive a lot longer. And he was one of the first ⁓ to test blood glucose at home. He developed all protocols that existed before industrial insulin and other therapies came out. he this theory of small inputs, which is that the ketogenic diet really helps you do because the less carbs you in your body, the less your body has compensate for those carbs and it’s less ⁓ adding and subtracting

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Mm.

Michael Eger: to survive. So anyway, that’s a low tangent, but yeah, ⁓ a fan. now let’s go. Now remember seeing when we were doing my research that some of your businesses are in the health and wellness space. Is that true?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of it. I love, I love this space. Yeah, that’s my background. So I’ve done a lot in that space. Created, ⁓ a few health shops. many years ago and a supplement range of vitamins that I used to sell across Australia. So I’ve sold all that up now, but that was in the early days ⁓ and that a great area. I was a naturopath, I ran weight loss clinics ⁓ and up clinics in pharmacies, in eight across WA. But now I’m involved in a weight loss program that I’m setting up in a couple of hotels in Indonesia ⁓ so they can wellness. retreats ⁓ those hotels. So ⁓ it’s very close and fond to my heart. It’s a fantastic industry to be in.

Michael Eger: OK, I was actually expecting you to talk a little bit more about that, but that’s good. We’ll give you some time to plug it in. Yeah, Yet so. The. what is it that else? Recreet customers that I’m trying to say what is in industrial term for?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: No worries.

Michael Eger: the tourist that goes overseas for specific health treatments.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yeah, we sort of plugging into that the hotels understand that that wellness industry is a very big impact can can play a very big impact on their bottom line. example, the wellness clientele are lot more tend to be a lot more affluent, they tend to spend more money when they travel. So you know, of around 30 to 40 % more than the average than their average. a hotel guest. with way I designed the weight loss program ⁓ I originally set it up when I was in a hotel in a nice resort in Thailand and I said to them, what are you doing in the wellness space? Because they all the beautiful amenities. have everything that’s conducive a wellness outcome. have they’ve got great food, good sleep, ⁓ good beds, gymnasium, fresh air, ocean, all these things are fantastic for that wellness space. So he said, when I was speaking to the manager of the resort, he said, well, we don’t actually offer much in that wellness space, but we’d sure like to, because it’s such a lucrative space to be in. And I said, well, look, I’m involved in… building weight loss programs, why don’t I help you set one up? And he loved the idea, so I went back to Australia, built a weight loss program specific for that hotel, and came back to him and said, let’s go, I’m ready. And he said, oh, actually, there’s a whole bunch of things we have to do, we have to get approvals from this, that and the rest, and jump through all these hoops. And I said, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, it’s one of those. So I said at the time to myself, well, look, I’ve created this program for this hotel. Why don’t we just pivot a little bit and actually I can adapt that to any hotel anywhere around the world that we can just plug and play. So that was the concept and the creation of immersion wellness, which is a weight loss program that we can implement into hotels and allow them to create more revenue, increase their bookings, their average dollar stay size and it any risk because I think when you’re in business you’ve got to create offers ⁓ that are attractive that they’re very easy to say yes to, very hard to say no to and become basically no-brainer ⁓ and as a I pitched it. A couple of years ago, I went over to Bali and pitched it to a bunch of hotels, seven hotels, and out of those six said yes, get involved, because it was just a very easy ⁓ for them to ⁓ some amazing options to their clientele, and ⁓ a sort of clientele. So that was how immersion wellness was birthed.

Michael Eger: So let’s walk us through the program. It’s a typical stay of how long.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: So the program goes for, actually very flexible. We can do whatever and it fits into a person’s timeframe. So it’s not a ⁓ program ⁓ a date. We can do it any date, which ⁓ makes a lot more conducive to people going holidays. But on average, target seven days because we can get a good result within that. ⁓ Takes about three for the body to go into ketosis. ⁓ And we measure using keto sticks. within three days, can physically say that see a change in their biochemistry. So they break through ⁓ the challenges in three days. We do a lot of coaching, a lot of mindset stuff ⁓ that can ⁓ hope to impact on that customer in ⁓ the journey rather than just a quick ⁓ weight program. And I it a neurogenic weight loss program, neurogenic. So ⁓ involves the keto, Also, neuro is for the brain, so we’re really influencing the brain because we have to break long-term habits that have been destructive for a of people ⁓ and ⁓ them eat in a certain way. So there’s long-term debunking of all negative habits that we have to do. So ⁓ that’s done over seven-day period, ⁓ and that’s a start to get people into the zone. Thank

Michael Eger: So what type of pattern interrupts do you employ to reset a new habit?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Yep, yep. So that’s good. you know a bit about ⁓ neuro-linguistic programming. the ⁓ that Robbins uses is NLP, and it’s all about pattern interrupting and re-anchoring. So if we can good positive outcomes, good habits, and break the patterns those negative cycles, ⁓ then that’s ⁓ some good use. ⁓ for example, let’s have If we had to interrupt a pattern, one of the good ways of doing it is to substitute. if someone’s drinking a lot of… Coca-Cola, sugary drinks, eating a lot of sugary foods, if we can interrupt the pattern but by substitution. So in fact, we actually allow that pattern to continue, but we’re actually substituting just a replacement. So there’s a lot of foods, for example, that have sweetness like xylitol or erythritol or stevia. These are all natural sweeteners they can be substituted for sugar directly. So ⁓ we can ⁓ that, then process, the habit that’s formed ⁓ actually continue. So I guess it’s less of a pattern interrupt. We’re actually encouraging that pattern to continue, ⁓ we’re just doing a quick substitution so they can do what they’ve done for many, many years. They can go through the same process, but they’re just switching around a few destructive foods for more constructive foods. ⁓ that would be one of the sort of processes. And for the more of the pattern interrupt, it’s about understanding understanding, we do a bit of visualization. We understand that when people look at say a sugary bun or a donut or something that they absolutely love, what are the biochemical changes and processes that happen? Well, one of them is that we start salivating. We just think about that, that food. You think about that delicious cream donut. Hopefully not too, I’m not gonna influence you to go and eat the donut right after this. But we think about that and you feel the biochemical change. You become more aware. of your mouth and your taste buds and the saliva that’s been created because you’re really going into that. this is delicious. ⁓ if we can re anchor that that comes up when you’re thinking about that ⁓ negative destructive ⁓ and can re attach it to ⁓ much ⁓ a different track. So it a totally different tune every time someone mentions a creamy donut. So for me, anyone says, ⁓ or would you like some cake? Would you like some doughnut? My immediate thought is, ⁓ my God, what the hell would I put that toxic rubbish in my body for? Immediately, God, if I ate that, it would be a huge insulin spike. I’ll feel crap after it. It’s gonna make me more tired. I’m not gonna be able to do my business day ⁓ It’s gonna stuff up my skin. ⁓ come out of my skin. So I’ll associate, re-associate all the negative stuff. that no one does, everyone’s thinking and rainbows when they’re ⁓ about sugary food. And if you can break that cycle, break that link and reattach ⁓ some like you have to go crazy high, you have to go all ⁓ the extreme dramatic outcomes that that will actually cause. ⁓ And ⁓ you thinking that way and you keep retraining your brain over time, you’re disassociating ⁓ standard society mindset concepts that we’re trained with marketing to think, you know, sugar is delicious and we’re reconnecting it with toxicity, disease, discomfort, problems and all of a sudden it becomes, well not all of a sudden, but it takes a little bit of time to retrain the brain that we’ve been indoctrinated with for many, many years. But over time you can disassociate that negative pattern and you can re-associate a more positive outcome by that concept with a better for more useful outcome. ⁓ So that explains it. ⁓

Michael Eger: So I went a little ⁓ path in my data loop. So one of the best things I was able to do after developing early stages You know the thing is when you talk professionally and then you can’t talk, it gets very frustrating. Melibot, Okay. When it started developing their early stages of pre-diabetes. And then ⁓ realized that had to relearn all the stuff I did before. ⁓ one ⁓ the best tools I’ve learned is continuous glucose monitor. ⁓ And nice it is it

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Okay. Mm.

Michael Eger: There is no, there’s the finger pricks. It’s such a dissentive. It’s like you’re looking at the needle. You kind of dread the needle in going to your body, getting that data, and more importantly, getting the data while an interval that actually gives you useful information, even if it’s more accurate. it’s ⁓ if you’re really disciplined, it’s extremely hard to do consistently. So even if you get imperfect, ⁓ CGM like this one right here, use you put it underneath your skin and you, you get a continuous feedback. Something it’s a little delayed. I get that because it has to go through the fluid to the skin and, but it gives you data surprisingly quick. So I know which foods and surprisingly a banana hits a lot harder than orange and and you quickly learn which foods bite your blood sugar and which foods don’t and it’s easy to stay on your let’s say blood sugar about 150 even if you’re having a cheat. Like I, I, I, today I broke my fast wear brawny and then I watched the plateau of blood sugar. wasn’t the spike was high, but the, the, the peak was long and that can, that concerns me more than sometimes the peak because if the peak goes up and goes down and you get below a hundred, I know my body recovered, but if it stays up.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: you The length. Yeah.

Michael Eger: We know that it’s trying to get rid of the sugar somehow. I think a feedback tool of that is one of the best things for me refining health and wellness also experimenting with fasting and food choice ⁓ and forcing to with those pattern interruptions.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Hmm. you

Michael Eger: because I have good data and I’m not sure if you can feed into what you said and every frame.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: 100%. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally. The CGM monitors are phenomenal. mean, continue understanding what your continuous glucose levels are over the long term is amazing feedback. know, data doesn’t lie. So it and everyone has slightly different outcomes. So what someone can eat and get away with due to their body, their fat, their intolerant, their insulin resistance, they’re all going to be slightly different. So for you on a personal level, a banana can have much more of a reaction to the sugar levels than an orange might not be the same case with everyone. And the fact that we’re actually, we’re not trained in this sort of stuff. No one actually, you you don’t learn ⁓ a lot this stuff. because at school and predominantly there’s a lot of new research coming out in this field. There’s a lot of great research now that’s coming about the ⁓ and glucose and the huge impact it has on things like lifespan, obviously diabetes, Alzheimer’s, cancer, disease, ⁓ all these things have a direct now with glucose. and high sugary levels. So having a continuous and education ⁓ you can get from these glucose monitors is a fantastic way of actually ⁓ these are really, really impacting me. And it’s interesting. A lot of people think fruit is really healthy. The majority of world out there does think that fruit is really healthy. And I used to eat a lot of fruit, but understanding that the fructose, sugar in the fruit, exactly the same impact as a can of Coke or the sugar in a bun, ⁓ things affect your blood sugar level exactly the same way. I mean, I prefer people to eat an orange than something else that is negative, but nonetheless, they still have the exact same impact that they do on the negative destructive sugars So it’s interesting that even has been genetically modified over the if you talk about bananas, know, they used to be very small, used to be full of seeds and they didn’t used to be sweet, ⁓ sweet at all. ⁓ over the thousands of years, they’ve changed that we’ve modified them to our taste buds. But unfortunately, it’s ⁓ all ⁓ designed now to go opposite way because The taste buds are what sells. modification process doesn’t really care about the after effects. It’s just about what can we do to get it ⁓ the first part of the body, which is the mouth, and how can we sell more. ⁓ it’s all about the mouth and the taste perception, unfortunately.

Michael Eger: Alright, so. We are getting closer hour. I’m going to be sensitive on all of your time, but I know we missed stuff. Is there anything that we should discuss before we close?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Mmm. My biggest angle always is business. So if anyone out there in that path, I think one of the main things is to focus on is ⁓ health you’re ⁓ focusing on, eager to ⁓ be healthy is a concept and it’s such an important foundation of building a business is having a really good foundation to prevent burnout to ⁓ allow more endurance your business and of course, your life so I think what you’re on to here is really good Michael ⁓ about all. ⁓

Michael Eger: OK, compliments will get you everywhere. Anyway, I know you’re busy man. And you have stuff to plug. Where we send our audience?

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: Thank you. My website, welcome to join if you’re or to connect through there, nathanbores.com or my LinkedIn account. I do have a YouTube channel as well that I do a little bit of all of business stuff on. So ⁓ yeah, to connect through there. Don’t really too much to sell. it’s ⁓ just really, I enjoy in the space of helping people to out their sort out their mindset and ⁓ grow their That’s what floats my boat.

Michael Eger: So with great gratitude and thanks, I want to you for coming on the show ⁓ sharing your wisdom with my audience.

Nathan Baws – Nathanbaws.com: My pleasure. Thanks for having me, Michael. Been a pleasure.